Talk:Ironhorse

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I noticed you changed his first appearance in world back to earliest, though we know he first appeared in 1862 (according to K.O. Carson). But it makes me got back to Debut and First Appearance and which one is in-world and which is reference. I know I kept waffling back and forth, but now I'm thinking First Appearance would read better for the issue and debut sounds better for the in world appearance. First Appearance is what it says and covers if they've only had a mention. Debut sounds and would look better covering a year, era, or even a specific date for like Samaritan and Jack-in-the-Box II.
Or maybe I'm just nuts and will change my mind again... --Astrozac (talk) 06:29, 3 October 2013 (PDT)

No so much nuts, its more that we are using what is essentially synonymous terms for different purposes. I see and appreciate the perspective you are presenting, but based on the original pre-migrated Ironhorse (which I just went back and looked at), the Herocopia community went with a different perspective five or six years ago. I too get confused, which probably infers that the casual readers, coming here for more information are also confused. I'm going to make a couple of minor changes to the character infobox2 template to put some context to the terms. Let me know your thoughts. --Infobroker (talk) 10:25, 3 October 2013 (PDT)


I think we have it explained well enough and visitors will understand, with your changes. Not as tired this morning, first appearance sounds better to me when used when talking about an issue and debut sounds better for in world, which can cover a specific year or a loose era. The only downside would be, if you don't have any idea what era a character did debut. But what sounds better, "Spider Man first appeared in Amazing Fantasy #15," or Spider Man debuted in Amazing Fantasy #15." And "Spider Man first appeared in 1962" and "Spider Man debuted in 1962."

We're right both are acceptable. Wikipedia used first appearance for the actual issue. But we use two because of the real time of Astro City. I'm fine with what we have, but just trying to explain what's going on my noggin (for the moment)
--Astrozac (talk) 06:30, 4 October 2013 (PDT)