Template talk:Character infobox2 - Revision history

Infobroker at 17:17, 1 June 2017

2017-06-01T17:17:34Z

Infobroker: clarification clean up

2016-06-12T10:20:09Z

clarification clean up

Infobroker at 21:24, 10 June 2016

2016-06-10T21:24:42Z

Infobroker at 21:21, 10 June 2016

2016-06-10T21:21:26Z

Infobroker at 21:20, 10 June 2016

2016-06-10T21:20:38Z

Astrozac at 05:45, 10 June 2016

2016-06-10T05:45:02Z

Infobroker: appearance lists

2016-06-10T02:38:12Z

appearance lists

Astrozac at 06:47, 8 June 2016

2016-06-08T06:47:38Z

Infobroker: move old topics to archive page

2016-06-07T00:27:28Z

move old topics to archive page

Infobroker: Headlines, manually entered versus query generated

2016-06-06T21:20:04Z

Headlines, manually entered versus query generated

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-I think I've got you. So, their appearance would be marked as a unique event, say for the Winged Victory in the 9/11 story, something like "Winged Victory flying through the Fox Broome Campus?" --[[User:Astrozac|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac|talk]]) 22:45, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
+::::I think I've got you. So, their appearance would be marked as a unique event, say for the Winged Victory in the 9/11 story, something like "Winged Victory flying through the Fox Broome Campus?" --[[User:Astrozac|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac|talk]]) 22:45, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
-:It's subject to lots of interpretation, but I break that story down into three events.
+:::::Close, but not exactly.  I dug out my hardback copy of Local Heroes to refresh myself on that incident.  "Winged Victory flying..."  is not the event per say. She's just stage dressing. ::
-:* King Missile's Attempt to Wreck F.B.U. Stadium Causes Collateral Damage to Drake Towers
+:::::It's subject to lots of interpretation, but I break that story down into three events.
-:I may not have provided the best titles for the events, but the event titles themselves have strong context about the event, and they don't get overly granular in scope.  You can certainly break them into a set of tinier events.  The second event in the list for example, could be listed as:  the visit to the fire station, the ride in the car and the stop at the cemetery.  But it would be overly minute and a bit anal.  The goal should be to 1)identify as large a scope of an event as possible, 2)graph it to a period of time on the timeline, and then 3)go into the details of the characters and devices that are present at the event. Winged Victory would get listed in the second listed event as a character "element" with maybe an added summary bullet mentioning she was flying over Broome Campus.
+:::::* King Missile's Attempt to Wreck F.B.U. Stadium Causes Collateral Damage to Drake Towers
-:I typed up a longish note to myself a long time ago, pre-Herocopia, when I was doing annotations locally in a database system on one of my computers.  It detailed what constitutes an event.  A couple years back, that turned into a letter. Segments of the letter were used in the early help pages for events, but not much of the "what constitutes" part made it here.  Maybe now that there are enough examples out there, I should find a place for it somewhere on the help pages.  --[[User:Infobroker|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker|talk]]) 14:20, 10 June 2016 (PDT)
+:::::I may not have provided the best titles for the events, but the event titles themselves have strong context about the event, and they don't get overly granular in scope.  You can certainly break them into a set of tinier events.  The second event in the list for example, could be listed as:  the visit to the fire station, the ride in the car and the stop at the cemetery.  But it would be overly minute and a bit anal.  The goal should be to 1)identify as large a scope of an event as possible, 2)graph it to a period of time on the timeline, and then 3)go into the details of the characters and devices that are present at the event. Winged Victory would get listed in the second listed event as a character "element" with maybe an added summary bullet mentioning she was flying over Broome Campus.

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-==Getting Rid of Headlines==
+==Deprecate the Headlines Parameter on This Template==
 As I was adding headlines to the affected characters from issue #1, it felt redundant now that it shows up on the timeline. Especially when it describes itself as a headline. I have no problem with getting rid of this and the parameter here in the infobox template.
 --[[User:Astrozac|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac|talk]]) 23:07, 5 June 2016 (PDT)
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 :Besides Headlines, there are lots of things that can be generated from the Event Annotations/Timelines data.  The trick is getting enough events annotated and entered so that we can make the switch-over without too much if any data loss.
-:I suggest not hand entering Headlines into the individual character pages going forward, as we do seem to have a decent amount of them as event/annotations (although many of them need to be more fully detailed).  Instead build the actual event entry and let Symantic Wiki do the mundane data entry.  I do plan to build a query that will pull the headlines out of the generic event list, as I think it is nice to see that data without navigating through a long compilation of data.
+:I suggest not hand entering Headlines into the individual character pages going forward, as we do seem to have a decent amount of them as event/annotations (although many of them need to be more fully detailed).  Instead build the actual event entry and let Semantic Wiki do the mundane data entry.  I do plan to build a query that will pull the headlines out of the generic event list, as I think it is nice to see that data without navigating through a long compilation of data.
 :Appearances for this template will also be shifted to a query in the future, again once there is a more reasonable amount of event/annotations in play.  Anyone can continue hand editing appearance at their discretion, or spend the time building the event.  It's up to them.  But realize, somewhere in the future, appearance lists will be automated.  Long time future given our current pace at building events. --[[User:Infobroker|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2016 (PDT)
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 :* Fireman Arnold Prentice Loses His Leg in a Rescue Operation
-:I may not have provided the best titles for the events, but the event titles themselves have strong context about the event, and they don't get overly granular in scope.  You can certainly break them into a set of tinier events.  The second event in the list for example, could be listed as:  the visit to the fire station, the ride in the car and the stop at the cemetery.  But it would be overly minute and a bit anal.  The goal should be identify as large a glob of an event as possible, graph it to a period of time on the timeline, and then go into the details of the characters and devices that are present at the event. Winged Victory would get listed in the event as a character "element" with maybe a summary bullet mentioning she was flying over Broome Campus.
+:I may not have provided the best titles for the events, but the event titles themselves have strong context about the event, and they don't get overly granular in scope.  You can certainly break them into a set of tinier events.  The second event in the list for example, could be listed as:  the visit to the fire station, the ride in the car and the stop at the cemetery.  But it would be overly minute and a bit anal.  The goal should be to 1)identify as large a scope of an event as possible, 2)graph it to a period of time on the timeline, and then 3)go into the details of the characters and devices that are present at the event. Winged Victory would get listed in the second listed event as a character "element" with maybe an added summary bullet mentioning she was flying over Broome Campus.
 :I typed up a longish note to myself a long time ago, pre-Herocopia, when I was doing annotations locally in a database system on one of my computers.  It detailed what constitutes an event.  A couple years back, that turned into a letter. Segments of the letter were used in the early help pages for events, but not much of the "what constitutes" part made it here.  Maybe now that there are enough examples out there, I should find a place for it somewhere on the help pages.  --[[User:Infobroker|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker|talk]]) 14:20, 10 June 2016 (PDT)

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 :* King Missile's Attempt to Wreck F.B.U. Stadium Causes Collateral Damage to Drake Towers
 :* A Young Boy Seeks Understanding from Fireman Arnold Prentice
-:* Fireman Arnold Prentice Loses
+:* Fireman Arnold Prentice Loses His Leg in a Rescue Operation
 :I may not have provided the best titles for the events, but the event titles themselves have strong context about the event, and they don't get overly granular in scope.  You can certainly break them into a set of tinier events.  The second event in the list for example, could be listed as:  the visit to the fire station, the ride in the car and the stop at the cemetery.  But it would be overly minute and a bit anal.  The goal should be identify as large a glob of an event as possible, graph it to a period of time on the timeline, and then go into the details of the characters and devices that are present at the event. Winged Victory would get listed in the event as a character "element" with maybe a summary bullet mentioning she was flying over Broome Campus.
-:I typed up a longish note to myself a long time ago, pre-Herocopia, when I was doing annotations locally in a database system on one of my compyters.  It detailed what constitutes an event.  A couple years back, that turned into a letter. Segments of the letter were used in the early help pages for events, but not much of the "what constitutes" part made it here.  Maybe now that there are enough examples out there, I should find a place for it somewhere on the help pages.  --[[User:Infobroker|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker|talk]]) 14:20, 10 June 2016 (PDT)
+:I typed up a longish note to myself a long time ago, pre-Herocopia, when I was doing annotations locally in a database system on one of my computers.  It detailed what constitutes an event.  A couple years back, that turned into a letter. Segments of the letter were used in the early help pages for events, but not much of the "what constitutes" part made it here.  Maybe now that there are enough examples out there, I should find a place for it somewhere on the help pages.  --[[User:Infobroker|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker|talk]]) 14:20, 10 June 2016 (PDT)

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 :Close, but not exactly.  I dug out my hardback copy of Local Heroes to refresh myself on that incident.  "Winged Victory flying..."  is not the event per say. She's just stage dressing.
-It's subject to lots of interpretation, but I break that story down into three events.
+:It's subject to lots of interpretation, but I break that story down into three events.
 :* King Missile's Attempt to Wreck F.B.U. Stadium Causes Collateral Damage to Drake Towers

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	I think I've got you. So, their appearance would be marked as a unique event, say for the Winged Victory in the 9/11 story, something like "Winged Victory flying through the Fox Broome Campus?" --[[User:Astrozac\|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac\|talk]]) 22:45, 9 June 2016 (PDT)		I think I've got you. So, their appearance would be marked as a unique event, say for the Winged Victory in the 9/11 story, something like "Winged Victory flying through the Fox Broome Campus?" --[[User:Astrozac\|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac\|talk]]) 22:45, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
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		+	:Close, but not exactly. I dug out my hardback copy of Local Heroes to refresh myself on that incident. "Winged Victory flying..." is not the event per say. She's just stage dressing.
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		+	It's subject to lots of interpretation, but I break that story down into three events.
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		+	:* King Missile's Attempt to Wreck F.B.U. Stadium Causes Collateral Damage to Drake Towers
		+	:* A Young Boy Seeks Understanding from Fireman Arnold Prentice
		+	:* Fireman Arnold Prentice Loses
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		+	:I may not have provided the best titles for the events, but the event titles themselves have strong context about the event, and they don't get overly granular in scope. You can certainly break them into a set of tinier events. The second event in the list for example, could be listed as: the visit to the fire station, the ride in the car and the stop at the cemetery. But it would be overly minute and a bit anal. The goal should be identify as large a glob of an event as possible, graph it to a period of time on the timeline, and then go into the details of the characters and devices that are present at the event. Winged Victory would get listed in the event as a character "element" with maybe a summary bullet mentioning she was flying over Broome Campus.
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		+	:I typed up a longish note to myself a long time ago, pre-Herocopia, when I was doing annotations locally in a database system on one of my compyters. It detailed what constitutes an event. A couple years back, that turned into a letter. Segments of the letter were used in the early help pages for events, but not much of the "what constitutes" part made it here. Maybe now that there are enough examples out there, I should find a place for it somewhere on the help pages. --[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 14:20, 10 June 2016 (PDT)

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	:::The appearance lists on publication pages can already be pretty much derived from the event annotation pages. It will take a bit of coding to finesse first appearance notations. But that's a problem for later. --[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 19:38, 9 June 2016 (PDT)		:::The appearance lists on publication pages can already be pretty much derived from the event annotation pages. It will take a bit of coding to finesse first appearance notations. But that's a problem for later. --[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 19:38, 9 June 2016 (PDT)
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		+	I think I've got you. So, their appearance would be marked as a unique event, say for the Winged Victory in the 9/11 story, something like "Winged Victory flying through the Fox Broome Campus?" --[[User:Astrozac\|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac\|talk]]) 22:45, 9 June 2016 (PDT)

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 ::I figured as much for the headlines. I'll probably keep doing the appearances and some of the others as I go, whether they get swallowed up in the future or not. The more info the better for visitors. Plus I've wanted to go back and start on events, story synopses/notes for the older issues, but I've kinda got tired of going backwards, while the new series get's further and further ahead.
-::I'm curious how the automated appearances would work though. By having them as part of the right event it would show up? But say for some one-scene appearances that don't amount to much, would they not show up? For example say Starpower's one panel appearance or Winged Victory's in the 9/11 story. Or could it be taken from the appearances listed on the Publications page?
+::I'm curious how the automated appearances would work though. By having them as part of the right event it would show up? But say for some one-scene appearances that don't amount to much, would they not show up? For example say Starpower's one panel appearance or Winged Victory's in the 9/11 story. Or could it be taken from the appearances listed on the Publications page? --[[User:Astrozac|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac|talk]]) 23:47, 7 June 2016 (PDT)
---[[User:Astrozac|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac|talk]]) 23:47, 7 June 2016 (PDT)
+:::Both your examples qualify as an appearance in my mind.  The characters are there, represented in the panel.  That's the criteria we have been using.   But I will also reiterate, given the pace of event entry editing, we are several years from replacing the manual appearance editing process we have been using.  I don't want to discourage that process.

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	:Appearances for this template will also be shifted to a query in the future, again once there is a more reasonable amount of event/annotations in play. Anyone can continue hand editing appearance at their discretion, or spend the time building the event. It's up to them. But realize, somewhere in the future, appearance lists will be automated. Long time future given our current pace at building events. --[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2016 (PDT)		:Appearances for this template will also be shifted to a query in the future, again once there is a more reasonable amount of event/annotations in play. Anyone can continue hand editing appearance at their discretion, or spend the time building the event. It's up to them. But realize, somewhere in the future, appearance lists will be automated. Long time future given our current pace at building events. --[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2016 (PDT)
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		+	::I figured as much for the headlines. I'll probably keep doing the appearances and some of the others as I go, whether they get swallowed up in the future or not. The more info the better for visitors. Plus I've wanted to go back and start on events, story synopses/notes for the older issues, but I've kinda got tired of going backwards, while the new series get's further and further ahead.
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		+	::I'm curious how the automated appearances would work though. By having them as part of the right event it would show up? But say for some one-scene appearances that don't amount to much, would they not show up? For example say Starpower's one panel appearance or Winged Victory's in the 9/11 story. Or could it be taken from the appearances listed on the Publications page?
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		+	--[[User:Astrozac\|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac\|talk]]) 23:47, 7 June 2016 (PDT)

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−	~~== Need for a Team infobox template? ==~~
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−	I was starting on the Reflex 6 page and saw that the character template infobox had a lot of stuff not pertaining to teams or groups and you couldn't add in necessary things like team members. Here would be a rough idea for a team/group template infobox...
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−	~~\|Box title =~~
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−	~~\|image = Image:Example.jpg~~
−	~~\|status = Active \|\| Inactive \|\| Disbanded~~
−	~~\|debut =~~
−	~~\|firstapp =~~
−	~~\|baseops =~~
−	~~\|rangeops =~~
−	~~\|members =~~
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−	~~\|headlines =~~
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−	One other thing is I noticed was debut. We previously used debut and a first appearance on the infodump. First appearance was used for the actual issue they first appeared and debut we used for what year they appeared. A bit redundant when you can look down and see when someone/thing made their first appearance under appearances, but I think we did it that way for people that had been mentioned/name dropped, who had yet to appear or later appeared and we had it down where they were first mentioned. (I think we decided if they appeared in the first six issue mini, we'd leave out a first mention...)--[[User:Astrozac\|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac\|talk]]) 13:50, 2 September 2013 (PDT)
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−	Looking on the way back machine, we used debut for actual first issue appearance and used first appearance/earliest known appearance for appearance in world year. --[[User:Astrozac\|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac\|talk]]) 14:54, 2 September 2013 (PDT)
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−	~~=== re: debut ===~~
−	~~# In my haste to get this site back up and running ASAP and with as much content as possible, I did a TON of jam editing. Post-it and go kinds of stuff.~~
−	# I would like to see a bit more discussion on ''debut''. I've been hit-n-miss on its usage when repopulating. Some characters seem to benefit, others not so much, still others it was oversight or I didn't have time to go looking. Cool thing about these templates is their flexibility. It won't display if you leave a parameter blank.
−	~~# A list of guidelines for ''debut'' seems appropriate. Let's see how things shake out over the coming months.~~
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−	~~=== re: optional options ===~~
−	~~...or how to make a list of team members when using this template~~
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−	~~In constructing this template, I made it lean heavily to the needs of an individual character for content and topics, yet it is also very flexible, and yes~~
−	~~you can indeed add a option for team members. I did it for [[Apollo11]].~~
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−	~~\|PD1title = Members:~~
−	~~\|PD1info = Garrison, Carruthers, McCaleb, eight others so far unnamed~~
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−	Each section of the infobox (AstroFacts, PersonalData, and InfoDump) have three of these title-info pairs. We can add more if needed. We can also promote an Optional-option to permanent-option if we find the particular topic keeps cropping up. The difference between these is you must provide a title (which can be anything you want it to be) to go along with the info, and you must pair the names correctly
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−	~~PD1info~~
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−	~~PD2info~~
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−	~~PD3title~~
−	~~PD3info~~
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−	~~AF1info~~
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−	~~AF2info~~
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−	~~AF3title~~
−	~~AF3info~~
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−	~~ID1title~~
−	~~ID1info~~
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−	~~ID2info~~
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−	If it warrants it, I can see ''Team templates'' as something that will probably be built in the future. I am OK with using this one template for now, and see if the need is strong enough for doing a team one. Right now, having to maintain just this one template, and given the amount of common overlap of topics, I am (for now) favoring postponing that work. But I am very interested in hearing discussion pro-and-con for adding it at some point in time.
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−	I haven't spent time documenting these optional-option parameters, mainly because of the complexity of explaining them. I don't want to overwhelm newcomers. But, yes the need to document these nine parameters is necessary and is on the todo list.
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−	~~--[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 17:11, 2 September 2013 (PDT)~~
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−	It's good for now, once I figured out how to mess around with it, it was easy. There probably aren't more than 15 teams or groups(right now at least) and apart from the Unholy Alliance, not many villain groups that it would apply to. If anything it would just be a simpler version of the character template. <br>
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−	Debuts- I guess using first/earliest appearance from in the in-world perspective sounds better and and debuts as for first comic appearance works. Probably that's why we had it that way. But you could argue the other way sounds better too...Or do we need both in the infobox? <br>
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−	And/or should we just drop the first time they're name dropped in the infobox, after they finally appear? Take the Five Fists I just worked on for example. They first appeared in the Silver Agent Special #1, but were mentioned in the Visitors Guide. There was some reason I liked having both. I don't know if it was characters who got mentioned and built up like Confessor and Pale Horseman, so people could see where they were first mentioned, or what. <br>
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−	~~Mainly I was just asking so everything says consistent and save us time going back over articles...~~
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−	~~--[[User:Astrozac\|Astrozac]] ([[User talk:Astrozac\|talk]]) 01:09, 3 September 2013 (PDT)~~
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−	~~== re: Debut and First Appearance ==~~
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−	~~I will be adding '''Earliest Known Appearance''' as a parameter in this template (soon). This is an in-world date reference.~~
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−	~~'''Debut''' will be an issue number reference. Keeping both first mentioned(if applicable) and first in-panel appearance issue references is my preference. (This is a guideline - not a rule)~~
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−	~~--[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 11:38, 4 September 2013 (PDT)~~
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	==Getting Rid of Headlines==		==Getting Rid of Headlines==
	As I was adding headlines to the affected characters from issue #1, it felt redundant now that it shows up on the timeline. Especially when it describes itself as a headline. I have no problem with getting rid of this and the parameter here in the infobox template.		As I was adding headlines to the affected characters from issue #1, it felt redundant now that it shows up on the timeline. Especially when it describes itself as a headline. I have no problem with getting rid of this and the parameter here in the infobox template.

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	:I suggest not hand entering Headlines into the individual character pages going forward, as we do seem to have a decent amount of them as event/annotations (although many of them need to be more fully detailed). Instead build the actual event entry and let Symantic Wiki do the mundane data entry. I do plan to build a query that will pull the headlines out of the generic event list, as I think it is nice to see that data without navigating through a long compilation of data.		:I suggest not hand entering Headlines into the individual character pages going forward, as we do seem to have a decent amount of them as event/annotations (although many of them need to be more fully detailed). Instead build the actual event entry and let Symantic Wiki do the mundane data entry. I do plan to build a query that will pull the headlines out of the generic event list, as I think it is nice to see that data without navigating through a long compilation of data.

−	:Appearances for this template will also be shifted to a query in the future, again once there is a more reasonable amount of event/annotations in play. Anyone can continue hand editing appearance at their discretion, or spend the time building the event. It's up to them. But realize, somewhere in the future, appearance lists will be automated. Long time future given our current pace at building events. --[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 14:19, 6 June 2016 (PDT)	+	:Appearances for this template will also be shifted to a query in the future, again once there is a more reasonable amount of event/annotations in play. Anyone can continue hand editing appearance at their discretion, or spend the time building the event. It's up to them. But realize, somewhere in the future, appearance lists will be automated. Long time future given our current pace at building events. --[[User:Infobroker\|Infobroker]] ([[User talk:Infobroker\|talk]]) 14:20, 6 June 2016 (PDT)