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leaving the "display name" as is -since that is what is on the cover, and the name used at comixolgy, but the indentia and comics.org (which uses indentia) indicates that the title of this comic is Astro City/Arrowsmith. -jb the ib

Please explain why you need to embed the link and "|" inside this template. This is inconsistent with the other title templates.
-jb the ib
Because it's a one shot, like the Visitors Guide and 9/11 story and I don't think it's technically a #1 (I could be wrong). And on the characters page under appearances without the issue number or special name separated, there isn't another way to try and keep it consistent with the others giving links to the particular issues.
--Astrozac (talk) 22:29, 27 November 2014 (PST)


Several points to cover.
I'm mainly talking about the mechanics of the template. These title templates were all originally created as a shorthand, a way to cut down on the how much typing was/is needed to enter a title name. It also helped to give a consistent name for the titles. Looking at the Visitor's Guide template, which also has the link embedded tags, I now understand what triggered these changes. The italics embed was interfering with using the template as a link. I haven't checked them all, but there are other titles templates that have been left alone, they do not have the links. So for starters, we have that inconsistency injected into the templates.
That is part of the inconsistency I am talking about.
The actual name of the comic according to the indentia is as I stated above "Astro City/Arrowsmith" not "Arrowsmith/Astro City". In general that is what this site uses for title reference.


As I was frantically working on building the frameworks and mechanics for new functions on this site (Event Driven Annotations and Timelines) I hit glitches with using the title templates for comparison arguments in programming queries.
Initially it was with the KBAC2 and AC templates and their embedded sets of single quotes. So I made a quick note to self, "once the 'bots are working, remove the quotes from the title templates."
As I moved to milestone #2, I choose this particular issue for reasons stated already on the community portal page. While working with it, my instincts were twitching with the name. Do I follow the indentia guideline or follow the guideline for being friendly to the occasional reader who as stated above will encounter it as "Astro City: The Flip Book" pretty much everywhere? This is what I decided to use(for now anyway) and is how I changed it before you reverted it back.
As for the piping, since that now matches what I changed it to, why the need for it?
Bottom line, these templates will be removed of all spurious embed code, including the single quotes, so they can be used for their original shorthand intent, and so we can use them in query programming logic. I don't have time to fight getting the 'bots working right now, but I've decided the impact of title references losing their italicized look, and the loss of links can be fixed in the editing process.
I am also favoring locking these templates (and others like them that impact parser/semantic coding) so that only admins/widget users can change them. The rest of the community can use the community portal to requests changes and clarifications of their usage. I'll take feedback on how others feel about this. I don't like locking in general.
Quick side note; I also encountered problems with page numbering (it's different on Comixology), Inconsistent title name punctuation for the pagenames here on herocopia, and other process refinements. I will talk about them further on the Community Portal page. For now, a reminder note:

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Mr. Smartie Notes: remove the quotes from the title templates and lock them.

encountered problems with page numbering (it's different on Comixology), Inconsistent title name punctuation for the pagenames here on herocopia, and other process refinements. I will talk about them further on the Community Portal page.

--Infobroker (talk) 09:43, 28 November 2014 (PST)


You've lost me somewhere... The main reason I embedded the links into the template was for simplicity of having the links and titles wrapped into one as well. So for the italicization to show up now on titles, we'll have to manually put them back into articles? Visually it feels flat...
--Astrozac (talk) 13:55, 28 November 2014 (PST)


re: Visually it feels flat...
I agree.
re: we'll have to manually put them back into articles?
Well I don't really recommend doing that because long term I will (I hope) eventually get the 'bots working here and they can be programmed to automate that massively manual labor.
Even longer term (or maybe the robots are longer term, I'm not sure)), The appearance lists for characters (and just about everything else) will be using semantic query code, driven by the events templates. It's just a matter of getting enough (90% or better) of the issues annotated into events. Given that we are still very much in test mode, that may be awhile.
Short term, if you want to do it manually, I guess it's a way to kill time.
--Infobroker (talk) 14:24, 28 November 2014 (PST)